Let’s Drop JOs this Year.

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Let’s Drop JOs this Year.

Postby Balicious » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:15 am

Ok Folks,

We have No Fall Season for Boys. In California we will be playing HS sports in January w the season starting in Late December. (GIF Willing)

Let’s cut the nonsense and Cancel JOs.

In Southern California all HS District pools are shutdown. Teams are having to get creative to practice and appease parents. Let’s Cancel JOs. And let us plan to return when we have water to
Practice.

Some teams have water while others don’t across the US, which could elevate other teams outside of California, which is Good.
However do we want to go to a Tment with teams from all
Over.
Will facilities allow large number of people in one place?
Will Governor Newsom allow it?
Will Stanford allow tre use of their facilities for a Nat Tment?

USWP just think rationally on this one, we understand is about the money. But all clubs have lost money, how about helping the clubs lobby to open the pools in California instead of collecting our fees. Ughh takes Leadership and Vision, Sorry my bad for thinking that you had that.

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Re: Let’s Drop JOs this Year.

Postby wplover » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:49 am

What about all the kids that are not high schoolers? Having JOs could actually help open pools and get kids re-registering for clubs. USAWP and our community has been very creative over the last few months, but that is clearly waning.

I agree that it's not fair what pools are open and who gets to practice, but that is the same for hs season. Where I live, the private hs all are having in pool practice/swimming and pretty much zero public schools pools are open. A lobbying effort to get public schools pools running could be good.

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Re: Let’s Drop JOs this Year.

Postby Rational » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:23 am

Lobby public schools?? - Think about what you're asking of public schools, its not safe enough for in-person instruction, but allow an outside group to congregate and use the facility.

How about instead, focus your energy on publicly shaming and condemning the Kens and Karens who refuse to wear masks and are prolonging this (completely preventable) crisis.

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Re: Let’s Drop JOs this Year.

Postby chlorineguy » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:51 am

Rational wrote:How about instead, focus your energy on publicly shaming and condemning the Kens and Karens who refuse to wear masks and are prolonging this (completely preventable) crisis.

This^^^

Wear a mask!!!

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Re: Let’s Drop JOs this Year.

Postby stickman » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:27 pm

Balicious: How about this...if you think JO's should be cancelled, then just don't plan to go.
There...now as far as you're concerned it's cancelled.

For those that would like to have a JO's this year, let's wait and see how things play out. Although at this point, I think we'll all end up at home with Balicious any way, so it's kind of a moot point.

Rational: I'm with you...it would be nice to see EVERYONE with a mask on in public. But let's try to ask politely as much as possible. As frustrating as it is to see people out there ignoring simple precautions, the public shaming isn't going to help. We've seen a lot of that, and it's only served to make things worse.

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Re: Let’s Drop JOs this Year.

Postby DavisWP » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:00 pm

Bottom line, we knew in April what closed schools and cancelled sports looked and felt like. We had four months to prioritize getting schools open for fall. Instead we prioritized mega church services, beaches, memorial day parties, political rallies, bars, indoor dining, haircuts, protests. We chose and so we live with our choices. Don't now blame the public schools for our choices.

As for JOs, is a party a party when you send the invitations or when someone shows up? Ain't no one showing up.

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Re: Let’s Drop JOs this Year.

Postby wpolo93 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:12 pm

DavisWP wrote: Don't now blame the public schools for our choices.



Sure. But go to Davis WPC Facebook page and look at the very last post (June 4th, 2020). Very few kids on those group photos have masks (2 out of 14?). Zero social distancing. Great kids, no doubt. But wasn't it school sponsored event (Graduating Seniors Recognition Day?) Way to spread an importance of social distancing message. And I am not trying to pick on a particular club. This must be a very widespread thing.

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Re: Let’s Drop JOs this Year.

Postby retiredguy » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:54 pm

We have already had this argument with DavisWP who continues to claim that “no one will show up” at JOs. This is completely false and the top teams will all be represented if USAWP feels like they can move forward with the tournament. There are plenty of parents and players who want to play and would be willing to follow guidelines in order to compete IF the country can get this thing under control by November and December. That might be the biggest “IF” of all time, and there are a lot of things that would need to go right in order for JOs to be held. It’s a 50/50 proposition at best right now, but I still think USAWP is smart to wait until September to make a decision on the event.

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Re: Let’s Drop JOs this Year.

Postby poloredux » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:59 pm

DavisWP wrote:Bottom line, we knew in April what closed schools and cancelled sports looked and felt like. We had four months to prioritize getting schools open for fall. Instead we prioritized mega church services, beaches, memorial day parties, political rallies, bars, indoor dining, haircuts, protests. We chose and so we live with our choices. Don't now blame the public schools for our choices.

As for JOs, is a party a party when you send the invitations or when someone shows up? Ain't no one showing up.


This!!! So so much this!

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Re: Let’s Drop JOs this Year.

Postby Rbpolo0414 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:33 pm

In order to hold JO’s the clubs will need at minimum 2 months of practice time. I don’t think many people realize how hard it is to get back into water polo shape. Kids will get injured if they have not had the practice time leading up to it. I give the odds of the December JO’s at 15% and the November Session 5%

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Re: Let’s Drop JOs this Year.

Postby Rbpolo0414 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:13 pm

Check out the Tony Azevedo podcast this week (and every week for that matter). He has a good take on all this. One I agree with at least.

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Re: Let’s Drop JOs this Year.

Postby GoBears! » Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:51 pm

wplover wrote:What about all the kids that are not high schoolers? Having JOs could actually help open pools and get kids re-registering for clubs. USAWP and our community has been very creative over the last few months, but that is clearly waning.

Imagine Age Group parents being told they can't be in the stands for their kids JO games. No spectators, just teams and officials. Think that will fly?

I think USAWP has until Sept 1 to make a call so people can reasonably plan. Stanford's campus will be open, but most of the classes will be online. Are they really going to allow several thousand people from all the country to congregate at Avery? Would you if you were in charge?

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Re: Let’s Drop JOs this Year.

Postby badboy » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:32 pm

GoBears! wrote:
wplover wrote:What about all the kids that are not high schoolers? Having JOs could actually help open pools and get kids re-registering for clubs. USAWP and our community has been very creative over the last few months, but that is clearly waning.

Imagine Age Group parents being told they can't be in the stands for their kids JO games. No spectators, just teams and officials. Think that will fly?

I think USAWP has until Sept 1 to make a call so people can reasonably plan. Stanford's campus will be open, but most of the classes will be online. Are they really going to allow several thousand people from all the country to congregate at Avery? Would you if you were in charge?


At what point would several thousand people need to congregate at Avery?

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Re: Let’s Drop JOs this Year.

Postby GoBears! » Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:07 pm

badboy wrote:
GoBears! wrote:
wplover wrote:What about all the kids that are not high schoolers? Having JOs could actually help open pools and get kids re-registering for clubs. USAWP and our community has been very creative over the last few months, but that is clearly waning.

Imagine Age Group parents being told they can't be in the stands for their kids JO games. No spectators, just teams and officials. Think that will fly?

I think USAWP has until Sept 1 to make a call so people can reasonably plan. Stanford's campus will be open, but most of the classes will be online. Are they really going to allow several thousand people from all the country to congregate at Avery? Would you if you were in charge?

At what point would several thousand people need to congregate at Avery?

If they allow spectators, several thousand over the 4 day tournament. People who are coming and going and coming from all over the U.S., including FL, TX and OC; current hot spots.

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Re: Let’s Drop JOs this Year.

Postby Balicious » Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:53 am

Also as a point, the host venues get a share of the ticket entrance.
No Fans, No tickets, No Money.
This is a big Fundraiser for many programs, why would you put yourself at risk and headaches for little money or return.

Depending on the location and venue, we are talking over 1000 a day per venue.

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