USWP Failed US All.

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Balicious
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USWP Failed US All.

Postby Balicious » Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:45 am

This has been long time coming.

USA Waterpolo has failed us all. Their lack of commitment to the Clubs and players is appalling.
We needed leadership to guide the clubs to find ways to play and open up..... They failed us.
Clubs needed insurance to do open water practices.... they failed us.
Clubs and HS needed leadership from our governing body to lobby states to Open....They Failed US.
The National Team didn’t have a place to train, they failed them for not sending out of state before going to Europe....They Failed US.
While Other sports (Swimming) put guidance as to Covid 19 not being transmitted in Chlorine, USWP remained silent.
While California remains closed w Youth Sports, USWP has not helped put guidance that Covid 19 doesn’t transmit in a ball in Chlorine will the player is submerged in a chlorine.
While states like Utah, Nevada, Arizona, Texas, Florida are open to play, USWP failed to promote and grow the sport outside of California as California teams that are open are desperate to play.
They Failed is Again....
USWP has not reached out to clubs to see the status of their clubs, their biggest supporters, recruiters, ambassadors to the sport. Unless it was about JOs and if they could make their $$$.
Our so called CEO is a puppet, collecting a check, waiting for his Taj Mahal Pool in Irvine to be built.
Well when the clubs are back, let’s see the amount of players that we will have.
Clubs are not operating in most parts, in part because of the lack of water, in part because they don’t own their facilities and School Districts are not allowing Outside User and Clubs to be on Campus. You Failed us again, to advocate for the clubs, the players, the families that have supported USWP for years.

What USWP have not failed us is in keeping the emails to donate money for their Golf Tournament and US national Teams.
Wondering if the CEO could donate some of the PPP money they got to support those teams.

When US Swimming donated millions back to their clubs and Local Swimming Committees makes Grants available, our Governing Body kept their pocketbooks closed and No guidance was given assist any Clubs.

USWP Failed the Sport, the Clubs, The Players, the Families, the referees and the Fans.

We need to clean House and Get New Leaders whiling to do the work.

USWP and Chris Ramsey You Failed US.

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Re: USWP Failed US All.

Postby wplover » Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:35 pm

Everyone is disappointed with the current situation, but you cannot blame this on USAWP. Your own words point it out:

"Clubs are not operating in most parts, in part because of the lack of water, in part because they don’t own their facilities and School Districts are not allowing Outside User and Clubs to be on Campus."

There are State, Country, City and School (University and High School) policies and politics that influence the availability of these pools. California has been much more strict about opening back up than other states. Polo hotbeds are in Covid hotbed counties, like LA, OC and Santa Clara. The truth is water polo is a full-contact sport, more like wrestling than football, lacrosse, soccer and whatever other sport came back early. Even if chlorine kills viruses, when you are locked up with another player, breathing hard in their face, on their neck - is that safe? Not to mention spitting, bleeding. You can't compare water polo to swimming safety.

Should teams be allowed to swim and no contact practices/drills? Definitely, IMHO. But instead of blaming USAWP, how about working out a solution in your community.

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Re: USWP Failed US All.

Postby jhwp » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:54 pm

I think you're claiming that covid transmission risk is higher in polo than football, soccer, or basketball, because players breathe on each other and spit in the water. Frankly that's ludicrous and ignores both chlorine and the realities of contact in other sports, including informal contact like huddles.

But stay home and stay safe, that's your prerogative. Those of us willing to take the risk should be able to, including at out of state tourneys that USAWP could be promoting, to give a simple concrete example.

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Re: USWP Failed US All.

Postby Balicious » Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:22 am

wplover wrote:Everyone is disappointed with the current situation, but you cannot blame this on USAWP. Your own words point it out:

"Clubs are not operating in most parts, in part because of the lack of water, in part because they don’t own their facilities and School Districts are not allowing Outside User and Clubs to be on Campus."

There are State, Country, City and School (University and High School) policies and politics that influence the availability of these pools. California has been much more strict about opening back up than other states. Polo hotbeds are in Covid hotbed counties, like LA, OC and Santa Clara. The truth is water polo is a full-contact sport, more like wrestling than football, lacrosse, soccer and whatever other sport came back early. Even if chlorine kills viruses, when you are locked up with another player, breathing hard in their face, on their neck - is that safe? Not to mention spitting, bleeding. You can't compare water polo to swimming safety.

Should teams be allowed to swim and no contact practices/drills? Definitely, IMHO. But instead of blaming USAWP, how about working out a solution in your community.


Absolutely USWP has failed us, in regards that they have not helped push for reopening pools.
They have not helped lobby the state (California) to open Pools.
Yes WP is a contact sport, but we need water to have clubs back in.

We need a guidance from USWP to provide that some activities are safe passing, drills, etc.
Right NOW USWP has done NOTHING.

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Re: USWP Failed US All.

Postby wplover » Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:11 pm

So once you've lobbied the state, then you go county by county, city by city and then appeal to each hs district that has clubs practicing at their pools? Many D1 universities in California are just now starting to practice. It's not just clubs that are suffering here and being denied water.

Club directors that have good relationships with their practice schools and are also the hs coaches seem to have been in the pool throughout the summer, to different degrees. Maybe it's not the club you usually play for, but there are opportunities.

And players dont just spit and breathe into the water, they spit and breathe right into your face. Locked up in set isn't the same as a football huddle. And water polo isn't the same as swimming laps. I'm not an epidemiologist so I don't know what's "safe". I just know those things are different.

Meanwhile, in Europe, it looks like the HEP Cup in Croatia was canceled due to a positive COVID-19 test result from a Croatian athlete.

There's a lot of blame to go around, but USAWP didn't fail us. We failed each other.

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Re: USWP Failed US All.

Postby Tomwater5 » Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:45 pm

Balicious wrote:
wplover wrote:Everyone is disappointed with the current situation, but you cannot blame this on USAWP. Your own words point it out:

"Clubs are not operating in most parts, in part because of the lack of water, in part because they don’t own their facilities and School Districts are not allowing Outside User and Clubs to be on Campus."

There are State, Country, City and School (University and High School) policies and politics that influence the availability of these pools. California has been much more strict about opening back up than other states. Polo hotbeds are in Covid hotbed counties, like LA, OC and Santa Clara. The truth is water polo is a full-contact sport, more like wrestling than football, lacrosse, soccer and whatever other sport came back early. Even if chlorine kills viruses, when you are locked up with another player, breathing hard in their face, on their neck - is that safe? Not to mention spitting, bleeding. You can't compare water polo to swimming safety.

Should teams be allowed to swim and no contact practices/drills? Definitely, IMHO. But instead of blaming USAWP, how about working out a solution in your community.


Absolutely USWP has failed us, in regards that they have not helped push for reopening pools.
They have not helped lobby the state (California) to open Pools.
Yes WP is a contact sport, but we need water to have clubs back in.

We need a guidance from USWP to provide that some activities are safe passing, drills, etc.
Right NOW USWP has done NOTHING.


Dude, sack up, USAWP isn't your mommy. You want something, go get it. Yes USAWP is looking out top down player wise. That is their job. Your child isn't their focus it is yours. They are underfunded and trying to survive like the rest of us. You go get your own f'ing water if it is so easy. Do us all a favor shut up or switch sports. Quit embarrassing your kid.

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Re: USWP Failed US All.

Postby Wpguy » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:49 pm

Don't worry thank's to the leadership of Chris Ramsey, when the U.S. Olympic reform bill is signed into law by President Trump. USA Water Polo will be the first sport organization to be decertified!
https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/c ... e6213/amp/

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Re: USWP Failed US All.

Postby badboy » Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:10 pm

Balicious wrote:This has been long time coming.

USA Waterpolo has failed us all. Their lack of commitment to the Clubs and players is appalling.
We needed leadership to guide the clubs to find ways to play and open up..... They failed us.
Clubs needed insurance to do open water practices.... they failed us.
Clubs and HS needed leadership from our governing body to lobby states to Open....They Failed US.
The National Team didn’t have a place to train, they failed them for not sending out of state before going to Europe....They Failed US.
While Other sports (Swimming) put guidance as to Covid 19 not being transmitted in Chlorine, USWP remained silent.
While California remains closed w Youth Sports, USWP has not helped put guidance that Covid 19 doesn’t transmit in a ball in Chlorine will the player is submerged in a chlorine.
While states like Utah, Nevada, Arizona, Texas, Florida are open to play, USWP failed to promote and grow the sport outside of California as California teams that are open are desperate to play.
They Failed is Again....
USWP has not reached out to clubs to see the status of their clubs, their biggest supporters, recruiters, ambassadors to the sport. Unless it was about JOs and if they could make their $$$.
Our so called CEO is a puppet, collecting a check, waiting for his Taj Mahal Pool in Irvine to be built.
Well when the clubs are back, let’s see the amount of players that we will have.
Clubs are not operating in most parts, in part because of the lack of water, in part because they don’t own their facilities and School Districts are not allowing Outside User and Clubs to be on Campus. You Failed us again, to advocate for the clubs, the players, the families that have supported USWP for years.

What USWP have not failed us is in keeping the emails to donate money for their Golf Tournament and US national Teams.
Wondering if the CEO could donate some of the PPP money they got to support those teams.

When US Swimming donated millions back to their clubs and Local Swimming Committees makes Grants available, our Governing Body kept their pocketbooks closed and No guidance was given assist any Clubs.

USWP Failed the Sport, the Clubs, The Players, the Families, the referees and the Fans.

We need to clean House and Get New Leaders whiling to do the work.

USWP and Chris Ramsey You Failed US.


waaahhh.

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Re: USWP Failed US All.

Postby Tomwater5 » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:10 pm

Wpguy wrote:Don't worry thank's to the leadership of Chris Ramsey, when the U.S. Olympic reform bill is signed into law by President Trump. USA Water Polo will be the first sport organization to be decertified!
https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/c ... e6213/amp/


I certainly didn't find that information anywhere in that article. Kindly point out specifically how they will be decertified at all and then tell why they will be first or STFU.

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Re: USWP Failed US All.

Postby Balicious » Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:47 pm

Tomwater5 wrote:
Wpguy wrote:Don't worry thank's to the leadership of Chris Ramsey, when the U.S. Olympic reform bill is signed into law by President Trump. USA Water Polo will be the first sport organization to be decertified!
https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/c ... e6213/amp/


I certainly didn't find that information anywhere in that article. Kindly point out specifically how they will be decertified at all and then tell why they will be first or STFU.


TOMWATER5 ..... What the Post is referring is about all the sports in jeopardy with current litigation for sexual abuse. Swimming and Waterpolo right smack in the thick of it.
To the Point that the California Attorney General and Ca. department of Justice has sent a Letter to all clubs, in regards to the mandated reported guidelines and background checks for all staff. Thus, now making the Clubs and administrations Liable.

You can google the current lawsuit for the Kennedy HS and International WP Club with and their coaches in staff from that Club.

Lawsuits for US WATERPOLO are in the process for sexual abuse with no direction or guidance from USWP about coaching and children. Yes, they are pushing Safe Sport, but too little too late.

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Re: USWP Failed US All.

Postby jhwp » Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:31 am

This is what real leadership from a national governing body looks like. ECNL partners with a university and facilitates data collection, and puts out a full stop study showing soccer is safe. No more speculating, no more maybe this maybe that, soccer is safe per a university study. This study then gives clubs cover to push boundaries with practices, and gives cities and counties ammo to push back against unreasonable state public health officials.

I'm sure some schmuck (and there seem to be a few on this thread already) will point out that there was one transmission in this study, and one transmission is one too many - and that schmuck should stay home and stay safe, and leave the rest of us to live our lives.

https://ortho.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploa ... Soccer.pdf

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Re: USWP Failed US All.

Postby Engine9 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:56 pm

Getting heavy...

“....You’ve got another NGB essentially saying we’re not going to report this. We’re going to report this to SafeSport but we’re not going to report this to (law enforcement) to protect the kids. We’re going to protect our ass, but we’re not going to protect the kids”

https://www.ocregister.com/2020/10/27/s ... -his-club/

Chris Ramsey, great guy!

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Re: USWP Failed US All.

Postby wpfan77 » Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:53 pm

Not only should Chris Ramsey be fired immediately he should also be arrested.

I think it is safe to say Chris Ramsey is the worst CEO of any company in the history of the world. I predict there are many more cases of abuse that will be coming to light. Not to mention the scandal of Ramsey not taking the best male players in our sport to the last two Olympics.
Only way this won't happen again is a long prison sentence Chris Ramsey!!!

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Re: USWP Failed US All.

Postby desertbeachkid » Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:06 pm

Long article that came out today detailing Ramsey's and USAWP's inexcusable conduct.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/10/27/ ... -his-club/

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Re: USWP Failed US All.

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