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USC vs UCLA

Postby mbaywaterpolo » Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:31 am

Watched it on ESPN3. 11-10 final UCLA wins in 2OT on a controversial last second shot by Ryder Roberts. Didn't look in on the broadcast to me but refs called it in.

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Re: USC vs UCLA

Postby oneeyeddeacon » Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:35 am

10-9 actually, and yeah, the game winner definitely didn't look like it went in.

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Re: USC vs UCLA

Postby GoPacific » Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:45 am

Didn't look like it was in, but then again we were never able to see the best angle.

Great game by both teams! MPSF sure will be fun.

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Re: USC vs UCLA

Postby poloandsurfing » Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:52 am

Great game and great finish!!
Didn't look in, but it doesn't matter.

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Re: USC vs UCLA

Postby Pacificblue » Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:04 am

Amazing game. What is this, the 4th or 5th straight match-up between these teams that has gone into overtime? Guaranteed battle every time these two teams play. Great stuff year in and year out!

So, predictions on how the seedings shake out? Does Pacific get the #1 seed or UCLA? Hard to say Stanford doesn't deserve it just as much. Does the whole season count? Or just MPSF play? Either way, I think the big one to avoid is the 4 seed, which USC seems to have just locked up.

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Re: USC vs UCLA

Postby Justafan2 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:14 am

Pacificblue wrote:Amazing game. What is this, the 4th or 5th straight match-up between these teams that has gone into overtime? Guaranteed battle every time these two teams play. Great stuff year in and year out!

So, predictions on how the seedings shake out? Does Pacific get the #1 seed or UCLA? Hard to say Stanford doesn't deserve it just as much. Does the whole season count? Or just MPSF play? Either way, I think the big one to avoid is the 4 seed, which USC seems to have just locked up.


No Prediction needed. If Stanford beats Cal then Pacific is 1 Stanford is 2 and UCLA is 3. If Cal beats Stanford then UCLA is 1, Pacific is 2 and Stanford is 3. Assuming Pacific beats Long Beach.

The danger is USC going on a run and winning MPSF. That would mean 1 team that finished 7-1 and tied for first in the regular season would not make the NCAA. USC is 4th and now likely has to win the tournament to get a NCAA bid.

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Re: USC vs UCLA

Postby Pacificblue » Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:51 am

Justafan2 wrote: No Prediction needed. If Stanford beats Cal then Pacific is 1 Stanford is 2 and UCLA is 3. If Cal beats Stanford then UCLA is 1, Pacific is 2 and Stanford is 3. Assuming Pacific beats Long Beach.

The danger is USC going on a run and winning MPSF. That would mean 1 team that finished 7-1 and tied for first in the regular season would not make the NCAA. USC is 4th and now likely has to win the tournament to get a NCAA bid.


Is that right? If Stanford beats Cal, UCLA, Stanford and Pacific would all have the exact same MPSF record, with UCLA beating Pacific head to head, Stanford beating UCLA head to head and Pacific beating Stanford head to head. A perfect 3-way tie. Why then, in your proposed scenario, would Pacific get the 1 seed over Stanford and the Bruins? What is the tie-breaker? Overall record? Wouldn't that favor UCLA?

Don't really care who gets the number 1 seed, just curious as to how it is determined.

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Re: USC vs UCLA

Postby kwinin » Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:47 pm

From another thread


Re: Stanford beats USC

Postby poloandsurfing » Sat Nov 16, 2013 7:33 pm
College Grad-
Wow, Not sure where those rules came from but here is the link to MPSF rules including tiebreaker.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/mps ... ations.pdf

Based on my reading and please correct me if I am wrong, in a 3 way tie, head to head record with the 3 teams is the first level.
Pacific beats Stanford
UCLA beats Pacific
Stanford beats UCLA
They are still tied

Level 2 is goal differential- All three games were 2 goal games
They are still tied

Level 3 is total goals for each of the 3 teams in those 3 games-
Stanford 12- Pacific 14
Stanford 8- UCLA 6
UCLA 12- Pacific 10

Pacific scores 24 goals and gets 1st seed
Stanford scores 20 goals and gets 2nd seed
UCLA scores 18 goals and gets 3rd seed

2nd tie tie breaker probably shouldn't be total goals it usually goes back to head to head as a two way tie but doesn't matter as Stanford beat UCLA
Mark

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Re: USC vs UCLA

Postby Pacificblue » Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:01 pm

Thanks for the info.

Have to say, using total goals scored certainly favors the team whose style prefers higher scoring games. A team that relies on great defense and grinds out wins by keeping their opponents to lower point totals definitely is at a disadvantage in this system. I know that total goals has long been used as a tie-breaker in water polo, but you could make a case that least number of goals allowed is just as good a barometer of a team's quality.

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Re: USC vs UCLA

Postby GoPacific » Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:14 pm

oneeyeddeacon wrote:10-9 actually, and yeah, the game winner definitely didn't look like it went in.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X80x9bC6 ... pp=desktop

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Re: USC vs UCLA

Postby anythingpolo » Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:36 pm

that is funny...

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Re: USC vs UCLA

Postby Zwaterpolo » Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:45 pm

This will be the best MPSF tourney ever. 4 evenly matched teams at the top.

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Re: USC vs UCLA

Postby fanofpolo » Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:53 pm

The major problem with the official who made that call is that he wants to be as much a part of the game as the players. This isn't the first time this has happened and it won't be the last. It's too bad because he really is one of the better officials. If he could just tame his ego.

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Re: USC vs UCLA

Postby keepingitpolo » Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:09 pm

It did not look like a goal last night, looks even less like one from this angle, maybe if he shed a few pounds he could get to the goal line in an important game like this, if you pause the video at the apex of the ball on the goal line you can clearly see his feet and he is not on the goal line. I believe it was an article by Doru about parallax error, bad job by the ref
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Re: USC vs UCLA

Postby Doru Roll » Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:10 pm

GoPacific wrote:
oneeyeddeacon wrote:10-9 actually, and yeah, the game winner definitely didn't look like it went in.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X80x9bC6 ... pp=desktop

Wow...

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