2022 Quals

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2022 Quals

Postby JRG2322 » Tue May 31, 2022 5:15 pm

Schedule:
Central CA - 12, 14, 16, 18 - Boys - June 17-19
Central CA - 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 10, 12 - Girls/Mixed - June 24-26
Coastal CA - 10, 12, 14 - All - May 27-29
Coastal CA - 16, 18 - Boys - June 3-5
Coastal CA - 16, 18 - Girls - June 10-12

Midwest - All - All - June 17-19
Northeast - 12 - Boys - May 14-15
Northeast - 14, 16.18 - Boys - May 20-22
Northeast - 16, 18 - Girls - June 4-5
Pacific - 10, 12, 14 - All - June 10-12
Pacific - 16, 18 - All - June 17-19
PNW&H - 12, 14, 16, 18 - Boys - June 17-19
PNW&H - 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 10, 12 - Girls/Mixed - June 24-26
Pacific Southwest - 10, 12, 14 - All - May 31 - June 5
Pacific Southwest - 16, 18 - All - June 13 - 19
Southern Pacific - 10, 12, 14 - All - June 3-5
Southern Pacific - 16, 18 - All - June 17-19
Southwest - 10, 12, 14, 16, 18 - All - June 10-12

*italics indicates schedule/results below


CCA zone:
10U Mixed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1541203077
12U Girls: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
14U Girls: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
16U Girls: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1115988410
18U Girls: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1115988410
12U Boys: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
14U Boys: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
16U Boys: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/ ... E/htmlview
18U Boys: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/ ... I/htmlview

Psw younger quals:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1664167535

Sopac
Younger: https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?res ... cCI5iVFgec
Older: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =420474992

SWZ, these are a little confusing as the younger seems to have a few 16s & 18s
SWZ younger: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Jif ... tmYnw/edit
SWZ Younger Mixed / Older: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =329019740

Pacific Zone Younger JO Quals June 10 - 12 - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =279226358
Pacific Zone Older JO Quals June 17-19 - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =279226358

Central boys: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true
Central girls: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ue&sd=true

PNWH Boys: https://www.instagram.com/p/CehXo8_vF_l/

Please post schedules and results as you find them and I'll copy them to this first post.
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Re: 2022 Quals

Postby JackBurton » Tue May 31, 2022 7:16 pm

Looking at the CCA quals who is Channel I ? Channel Islands is that a new club or a mix of multiple clubs?

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Re: 2022 Quals

Postby Gobama » Wed Jun 01, 2022 1:07 am

JackBurton wrote:Looking at the CCA quals who is Channel I ? Channel Islands is that a new club or a mix of multiple clubs?



I think it's SB premier and gold coast? Don't quote me on that tho.

Psw younger quals:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... p=drivesdk

Sopac younger quals:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=6 ... x&e=O0Hiiq



Anyone have results from Northeast?

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Re: 2022 Quals

Postby JRG2322 » Wed Jun 01, 2022 9:37 am

Gobama wrote:

I think it's SB premier and gold coast? Don't quote me on that tho.

Anyone have results from Northeast?


Yes to both of those teams. CI may have included a third team, too.

Just a guess, but 1. Greenwich, 2. Chelsea Piers. All age groups.

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Re: 2022 Quals

Postby Sctrojanje » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:49 pm

JRG2322 wrote:
Gobama wrote:

I think it's SB premier and gold coast? Don't quote me on that tho.

Anyone have results from Northeast?


Yes to both of those teams. CI may have included a third team, too.

Just a guess, but 1. Greenwich, 2. Chelsea Piers. All age groups.


Just a guess, but that sounds about right....

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Re: 2022 Quals

Postby wpolo93 » Wed Jun 01, 2022 9:09 pm

Sctrojanje wrote:
Just a guess, but that sounds about right....


It would be hard for Chelsea Piers to do well at the JO Quals without having a water polo program- it got discontinued in 2020 (due to COVID?)
CT Premier probably finished in the top three in most/ all age groups.

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Re: 2022 Quals

Postby JRG2322 » Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:49 am

That’s too bad. Hate to see clubs fold.

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Re: 2022 Quals

Postby WaPoSaD » Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:42 am

Maybe it's like this every year, but I couldn't help but notice the quite disparate qualification rates in the various younger divisions. For example, in 12U girls, it seems like we're fairly desperate for teams these days. We only have one division nowadays (Championship) -- the former 48-team "Classic" division for 12UG got replaced by the 48-team Championship division for 12U "Mixed" -- and at least thus far, even with only a single 12UG division, the vast majority of teams qualify for JOs. For Coastal, 6 of the 9 12UG teams qualified (67%); for SOPAC, 7 of the 11 teams qualified (64%), and in PSW -- and this is what got me looking into the thing -- there was only a single 12UG team (SD Shores) for four allocated spots (a 400% qualification rate).

By contrast, every zone seems to have a plethora of 14U boys teams. For 14UB, there's the 48-team championship and 48-team classic divisions -- the old "Invitational" division gets replaced, I imagine, by the Session 3 (Dallas) JOs. But even with two fully loaded divisions, the qualification rate for the 14UB is extraordinarily low; for Coastal, 25 teams competed for 12 spots (a 48% qualification rate); for SOPAC, 28 teams for 14 spots (50%), and for PSW (which, again, piqued my interest), 21 teams competed for 8 spots (a 38% rate).

I get that the way JO works, we're practically maxed out at 48-team divisions. But if this year is representative of prior years (and, again, I haven't gone back and looked), I wonder if a return of "Invitational" might not be warranted for heavily oversubscribed age groups; e.g., 14UB. Maybe the theory is that most or all of the teams that didn't qualify in those groups will go to Dallas, but I suspect that, in truth, most of the California teams (and that's where I suspect the oversubscription is largely present) won't be making the trip to Texas, even though they'd readily go to a third division of the Cali JOs.

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Re: 2022 Quals

Postby Justafan22 » Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:25 pm

WaPoSaD wrote:Maybe it's like this every year, but I couldn't help but notice the quite disparate qualification rates in the various younger divisions. For example, in 12U girls, it seems like we're fairly desperate for teams these days. We only have one division nowadays (Championship) -- the former 48-team "Classic" division for 12UG got replaced by the 48-team Championship division for 12U "Mixed" -- and at least thus far, even with only a single 12UG division, the vast majority of teams qualify for JOs. For Coastal, 6 of the 9 12UG teams qualified (67%); for SOPAC, 7 of the 11 teams qualified (64%), and in PSW -- and this is what got me looking into the thing -- there was only a single 12UG team (SD Shores) for four allocated spots (a 400% qualification rate).

By contrast, every zone seems to have a plethora of 14U boys teams. For 14UB, there's the 48-team championship and 48-team classic divisions -- the old "Invitational" division gets replaced, I imagine, by the Session 3 (Dallas) JOs. But even with two fully loaded divisions, the qualification rate for the 14UB is extraordinarily low; for Coastal, 25 teams competed for 12 spots (a 48% qualification rate); for SOPAC, 28 teams for 14 spots (50%), and for PSW (which, again, piqued my interest), 21 teams competed for 8 spots (a 38% rate).

I get that the way JO works, we're practically maxed out at 48-team divisions. But if this year is representative of prior years (and, again, I haven't gone back and looked), I wonder if a return of "Invitational" might not be warranted for heavily oversubscribed age groups; e.g., 14UB. Maybe the theory is that most or all of the teams that didn't qualify in those groups will go to Dallas, but I suspect that, in truth, most of the California teams (and that's where I suspect the oversubscription is largely present) won't be making the trip to Texas, even though they'd readily go to a third division of the Cali JOs.


So in the case of the single 12UG division in PSW, when they actually has 4 allocations. I assume the organizers will fill those positions with 3 teams from other places that barely missed the cut? Making the qualification rate, for those, even a little higher. Can't believe there are that many 12U mixed teams, that can't field a 12U girls only team. THis is not good. We need more girls to start at those younger age groups

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Re: 2022 Quals

Postby Justafan22 » Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:35 pm

I just looked at the brackets. How sad. ONly one team, and they did not even get to play. THe 'auto qualified"

A few years ago, we still had 10U girls divisions at the JOs. Is that pretty much gone?

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Re: 2022 Quals

Postby cbarrot » Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:48 pm

IN the SOPAC we only had two 10U girls teams but plenty of 10U mixed. The girls teams played in the quals this weekend, somehow mixed into the 10U mixed brackets, but the two girls teams played for first and second, at the end, for their division.

We did have: (11) 12U girls teams. Lots of 12U Boys and (6) 12U mixed teams. Something peculiar was that there was a team with two 12U mixed teams, but none in the 12U girls or 12U boys.

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Re: 2022 Quals

Postby JackBurton » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:19 am


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Re: 2022 Quals

Postby cbarrot » Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:21 am

JackBurton wrote:Updated allocations are out.

https://usawaterpolo.org/documents/2022 ... _16_22.pdf


Glad to see they have 15 teams in 10UG

There you have it as somebody mentioned, the 12UG could not fill the 48 spots for JOS. Some teams that would have filled those spots, probably elated to go to session 3 in Texas

Something that catches my eye in the 16UG, is that there will be 24 total allocations for the Pacific CA area, and only 9 for SOPAC ???

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Re: 2022 Quals

Postby kernsting » Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:13 am

According to the Conduct of Chamionships, the allocations should be redistributed to zones that have teams wanting to participate, based on zone size, to complete a 48 team field. There are only 39 teams in the Classic Division for 16 UG. So either only 9 16UG SoPac teams entered quals, which seems odd, or something else happened.

Similarly, there are only 42 18 UG teams in the Classic Division when it seems there could be 48. Perhaps that is all the teams that entered. If that is the case, it will be interesting to see how many teams entered Session 3 and from which zones.

There is typically some variation in number of teams participating from NorCal/SoCal based on location, especially in the younger age groups, but this seems extreme.


Section 6.3.c.d
https://usawaterpolo.org/documents/2019 ... 9_2019.pdf

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Re: 2022 Quals

Postby Rational » Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:35 am

Is there a SoPac tournament running concurrent with JOs? There's not as many SoPac teams as usual nor PSW. Wonder if some deferred JOs for this other tournament instead.

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