FINA Tournament in New Zealand

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FINA Tournament in New Zealand

Postby ephpolo » Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:08 am

US Men had blow out wins over New Zealand, Saudi Arabia and China, but the game was a good one. US won 12-10. Very physical game--US had 14 exclusions, Japan 18.

Japan has lots of quick agile players, but they couldn't convert all the exclusions they drew into goals, going 6/18. US was 7/14. There were a couple of really nice goals by Japan on quick one on one drives at the end of transitions.

You can watch here: https://livestream.com/accounts/1103671/events/8108583/videos/172803991

US finished the first round with another blow out over China.

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Re: FINA Tournament in New Zealand

Postby CoachD » Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:41 pm

ephpolo wrote:US Men had blow out wins over New Zealand, Saudi Arabia and China, but the game was a good one. US won 12-10. Very physical game--US had 14 exclusions, Japan 18.

Japan has lots of quick agile players, but they couldn't convert all the exclusions they drew into goals, going 6/18. US was 7/14. There were a couple of really nice goals by Japan on quick one on one drives at the end of transitions.

You can watch here: https://livestream.com/accounts/1103671/events/8108583/videos/172803991

US finished the first round with another blow out over China.


By the way, Cupido was out because of personal family reasons.

USA finally beat Japan. USA strategy was to get excluded by holding drivers and holding players on the counterattack, thus stopping what the Japanese do best, counter and drive. The result was 18 exclusions against the USA. The strategy worked because Japan only made 6 out of 18 extra-man attempts (33%), with many of the misses coming in the second half. Because of the long arms in front of the goal blocking shots, and a good job by US goalie in the second half, the Japanese had a much tougher time scoring on extra-man than they would have had on counters and drives.

If you remember in the last game that the USA lost, the Japanese scored 6-7 goals on the counterattack alone. The USA also took advantage of the size difference between the players, especially at 2-meters. Obert scored two goals by just out-muscling the smaller Japanese defender. Hallock got into foul trouble early, so wasn’t as effective as he could have been.

Just a note on the state of International water polo. In this tournament to qualify for the World League Final outside of Europe, is this is the best that we could come up with? Saudi Arabia, Argentina, New Zealand, Kazakstan and China? Outside of the games with Australia and Japan, the rest of the games were double digit blowouts. Is there any doubt that the sport is in trouble at the International level. Olympics in 2024 for water polo is anybodies guess if we don’t come up with a more dynamic game.
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Re: FINA Tournament in New Zealand

Postby Valkyrie » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:43 pm

What the f...... are you gloating about EH, beating these teams? Saudia Arabia? It is a given and expected. Give the Japanese credit, for a team small in stature keeping the game close and not "being a blow-out". This tournament does little to prepare the U.S. for playing at the level needed to be competitive with the Europeans. Again, the U.S. must enter the Champion's League, be it via NYAC or LACC and play with the "Big Boy's" of Water Polo, i.e. the top 10 teams. Is anyone listening at USA WP, or what is the mandate to make us competitive again?
ephpolo wrote:US Men had blow out wins over New Zealand, Saudi Arabia and China, but the game was a good one. US won 12-10. Very physical game--US had 14 exclusions, Japan 18.

Japan has lots of quick agile players, but they couldn't convert all the exclusions they drew into goals, going 6/18. US was 7/14. There were a couple of really nice goals by Japan on quick one on one drives at the end of transitions.

You can watch here: https://livestream.com/accounts/1103671/events/8108583/videos/172803991

US finished the first round with another blow out over China.

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Re: FINA Tournament in New Zealand

Postby ephpolo » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:42 pm

Valkyrie wrote:What the f...... are you gloating about EH, beating these teams?


Not gloating. Just trying to start a conversation about what happened in the water. I'm looking forward to upcoming US-Australia and Australia-Japan matches.

I think Coach D is correct about the US strategy to slow down the Japanese, but it's not like the Japanese weren't holding like crazy on defense to try to control the US players. They earned the 14 exclusions and the penalty they got. As long as the rules provide a game that rewards that strategy, teams will keep doing it.

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Re: FINA Tournament in New Zealand

Postby ephpolo » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:18 am

The men beat the Australians to win the tournament 9-6. Big game for Irving with 3 goals. US defense looked good, held Kayse to 2 goals. 6-5 was 1/6 though.

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