SoCal Tournament This Weekend

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SoCal Tournament This Weekend

Postby mbaywaterpolo » Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:26 am

Here's a place to discuss. I will be attending and will try to give some updates on games I see.

Biggest thing I'm interested in seeing is what adjustments Jovan has made to help USC get back into that #1 spot. They haven't had a meaningful game since the NorCal tournament so this will be the time we get to see whether they can bounce back.

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Re: SoCal Tournament This Weekend

Postby Trevor » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:28 pm

To anyone who goes, please do share thoughts, recaps and opinions of what went down. Tournaments like these should be streamed.

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Re: SoCal Tournament This Weekend

Postby mbaywaterpolo » Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:32 am

Semi-finals will be Stanford vs UCLA and USC vs Pacific. Stanford looked strong in their win vs Cal, they dominated 14-7. Let's see if UCLA can handle their physicality. I think UCLA is a much deeper team, if they can convert on 6-on-5 they will win.

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Re: SoCal Tournament This Weekend

Postby bennykovacs » Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:47 pm

mbaywaterpolo wrote:Semi-finals will be Stanford vs UCLA and USC vs Pacific. Stanford looked strong in their win vs Cal, they dominated 14-7. Let's see if UCLA can handle their physicality. I think UCLA is a much deeper team, if they can convert on 6-on-5 they will win.

14-8, not 14-7...it was bad enough without giving Cal credit for all their goals

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Re: SoCal Tournament This Weekend

Postby my69442w30 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:57 pm

17

8:00am

Pep 10, UCD 8
(3rd A vs. 3rd D)

21

8:00am

Cal 11, UCI 9
(2nd A vs. 2nd D)


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Re: SoCal Tournament This Weekend

Postby CoachMVta » Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:43 pm

Is Bonanni playing today?

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Re: SoCal Tournament This Weekend

Postby retiredguy » Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:45 pm

UCLA pounds Stanford 10-5 and USC handles Pacific 10-6, looks like UCLA and USC are establishing themselves this year. Will be interesting to see if USC can get revenge from their loss at NorCal to UCLA. Stanford and Pacific facing off for the third time this season already, really surprised that neither one appeared competitive in their semi-final matchups (I am just going off of the recaps, I'm not there).

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Re: SoCal Tournament This Weekend

Postby mbaywaterpolo » Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:01 pm

UCLA vs Stanford, UCLA defense was incredible in this game, Stanford only had 1 goal through the first 3 quarters. UCLA has so much speed, you think their defenders are out of position but they still manage to get the steal.

USC vs Pacific was a closer game, Pacific was leading by 2 or 3 goals early but then the difference in team discipline showed. USC made a run and Pacific started to fall apart defensively, giving up easy shots.

Also interesting thing I didn't know was that the reason Jon Walters hasn't been playing for USC is he is injured. He hurt his shoulder early in the season and then somehow during rehab injured his elbow. He is back in the water but hasn't touched a ball yet. He should be healthy by NCAAs which could be important for USC.

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Re: SoCal Tournament This Weekend

Postby mbaywaterpolo » Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:25 pm

USC wins in OT 12-11. Crazy game, Jovan got red carded. I will type a longer post tomorrow.

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Re: SoCal Tournament This Weekend

Postby Skipper » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:56 am

OK, I gotta start by saying every USC-UCLA match is going to be a dog fight just because of their cross town rivalry. Add in Wrights shenanigans after last years NCAA's and it adds even more fuel to the fire.

Last nights game in the SOCAL final was epic. Throw in the huge crowd and obnoxious redshirts from both teams and you have a real circus atmosphere!!!
SC goes out flat and UCLA takes a 4-2 lead after 1, SC trails by 2 after half and after3rd quarter. UCLA is scoring from everywhere, natural goals out of 2M, 6X5, and out side shooting.

THEN, JOVAN gets red carded by Stankevitch for yelling at Piela from across the deck.
Marko Pintaric takes over as Jovan is escorted from the facility!!!!!
SC trails by 3, 10-7 with 4 min. to go. They then score 2 to make it 10-9 with 22 seconds. Last time out is called and SC draws up a play to isolate Vavic, but UCLA defense knows it's coming and defends it well, the Greek Genidunious, has the ball with 4 sec. left out at 8-9 meters and is trying to draw a foul but can't. He wings a side arm shot that gets past Danner as the clock expires. The overly obnoxious crowd goes wild.
After conferring for several minutes the goal is confirmed and overtime starts, neither team can score in first OT, then Genidounias rockets in another to put SC up for good.
Just to add a little more drama, Wright officially protests the outcome. Saying the goal at the end of regulation shouldn't of counted as the clock had expired. After another 15-20 minutes, it's officially in the books as a win for SC.

3 things stand out-
1- you have to give credit to UCLA for coming out as strong and confident and taking it to SC thru 3quarters.
2- you have to give credit to Pintaric for taking over for Jovan and leading them to a win being down 3 goals w 4 min to play, using his T outs wisely.
3- Jovan should realize maybe he doesn't have to be a such a raving madman on the sidelines as his boys know what to do and they proved it last night.

To close, if you weren't there it was just another ho hum USC-UCLA game.
If you were there, it was memorable, HUGE crowd, screaming and yelling offensive remarks, great polo, great coaching, good refereeing, and unfortunately somebody had to go home a loser.

Peace Out !!
RIP an old friend and great coach- KEN LINDGREN.

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Re: SoCal Tournament This Weekend

Postby Justafan2 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:29 am

mbaywaterpolo wrote:UCLA vs Stanford, UCLA defense was incredible in this game, Stanford only had 1 goal through the first 3 quarters. UCLA has so much speed, you think their defenders are out of position but they still manage to get the steal.

USC vs Pacific was a closer game, Pacific was leading by 2 or 3 goals early but then the difference in team discipline showed. USC made a run and Pacific started to fall apart defensively, giving up easy shots.

Also interesting thing I didn't know was that the reason Jon Walters hasn't been playing for USC is he is injured. He hurt his shoulder early in the season and then somehow during rehab injured his elbow. He is back in the water but hasn't touched a ball yet. He should be healthy by NCAAs which could be important for USC.


Yeah there is a clear strata now. USC and UCLA are at one level. Stanford and Pacific are a notch below with Pacific having a slight edge then Cal then SB.

I saw the USC Pacific game differently. Pacific was up then USC made a move and James went with Obert and Tomasevic together for defense. The problem is those two still can't align on offense and the offense went stagnet, Pacific turned the ball over and SC countered. Eventually it was out of hand.

In the games I have seen, I don't think Obert has scored a single goal while he and Tomasevic are both in the pool. Considering he was their second best scorer last year that is a problem. I don't know where the problem resides but it doesn't take advanced water polo insight to see there is an issue.

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Re: SoCal Tournament This Weekend

Postby fanofpolo » Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:58 pm

I happened to be in Southern California this weekend and had some extra time before I flew home on Sunday and dropped by the Irvine pool for the semi finals. I thought the key to the USC vs UOP game was the fact that USC shut down the two meter play by doubling and even tripling the hole set and then UOP was completely ineffective on their outside shot. UOP will need to be able to score the outside shot they are being given by the defense which will not allow the defense to double and triple team their hole sets. In the Stanford vs UCLA game Stanford just couldn't convert a 6 on 5. I don't know the statistics but I would guess Stanford was 1 or 2 for 15 on the extra man offense. I thought the game was much closer than the score. UCLA couldn't miss and Stanford couldn't hit. Sorry I missed the UCLA vs USC game. Sounds like a thriller.

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Re: SoCal Tournament This Weekend

Postby retiredguy » Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:52 pm

Thanks for the insight those of you who made it to the tourney this weekend! Now that this tourney is over, we are officially into the meat of the MPSF schedule. The biggest question will be can anyone knock off UCLA or USC? Stanford is up first next weekend against UCLA, we will see if they can put up a better fight than this weekend. UOP has a great opportunity to move up in seeding for the MPSF tourney if they can get a win against UCLA or USC. Sounds like they need to straighten out the game plan a bit to get there. It would appear that Cal needs to step up their game to beat any of those top 4 squads, but they certainly have the talent to do it.

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Re: SoCal Tournament This Weekend

Postby mbaywaterpolo » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:59 pm

Here are my thoughts from the tourney.

USC - the champs are back! Really impressed with their play, they came from behind vs Pacific and UCLA. Nikola Vavic reminded me that as good as Erdelyi and Bowen are, he still has a case for best player in the nation. Not because he is a great shooter, but because he is the best perimeter defender in the nation, the amount of steals he had was crazy. And let us not forget about Koustas (spelling?). Scores the game tying shot and then the game winner in OT.

UCLA - in pure talent they outclass everybody else. They can rotate at least 12 people with no drop off in play. Two problems with this: a lot of these talented players are freshman, and they lack a real dominant player. With USC there was no question either Nikola or Kostas was taking that last shot. When the going got tough In the fourth quarter for UCLA, it felt like they started backpedaling instead of rolling with the punches. Not trying to take shots at anybody, it just felt like nobody really wanted to step up to the challenge. This is still a really good team. The next USC vs UCLA matchup will be a lot of fun. (Also, If I had to choose, I feel their goalie is the best player on the team. He really affected the final game not just with saves but with steals as well. Scary to think he's just a redshirt freshman.)

Pacific - As another poster said, it's clear at this point USC and UCLA are in a tier above everybody else. However, I feel Pacific is the one team with the most potential to break into that tier. The thing holding them back? It is what we've all been saying all year, Tomasevic and Obert are not playing well together. At Norcals I was impressed by their doulbe set, but it was lackluster in this tournament. Their offense functions best with only one of the two in the pool, and I think that is the best way to go. I also feel they could use some work defensively, it feels like they give up too many easy goals both in the counter and halfcourt. They played well vs USC and vs Stanford, if they can fix those issues they could contend for the title.

Stanford - when I watched them demolish Cal on Saturday, I felt like Stanford might actually be the team to beat in this tourney. My opinion changed pretty quickly on Sunday. Their biggest issue against UCLA was their 6-on-5, fanofpolo was not exaggerating when he said they only went about 2-15 on extra man situations. When they win, they dominate with their physicality. They also aren't afraid to take ejections. However it seems to me that they might not have the depth to use that strategy against the best teams in the nation. Another issue of theirs, in most games I've seen them play they come out very strong. They opened up with a 3-0 lead vs Pacific before losing, and the first quarter of UCLA they were only down 2-1. In both those games they slowly start to fall apart. I don't know if that is related to players being tired from a lack of depth but something needs to be done so they can finish games.

Cal - not much to say other than that they didn't perform very well. I saw them vs Stanford and vs UCLA which were both blowouts. Weird, because at Norcals they played both those teams very closely. I still feel like they are a pretty deep team with good speed, but big and strong teams like UCLA and Stanford just rolled over them physically. It also seems like other teams aren't afraid to take ejections vs them, if they can work on their extra man it will help them tremendously.

Overall, great tourney, lots of fun, and the final was incredible. A+ to the crowd for effort, although some of the language used by both teams sections was a little harsh. I hope maybe next year the tournament can provide more seating, I spent most games trying to watch while standing.

Looking forward, Stanford plays UCLA soon, that will be a much closer game because no way they repeat their 6-on-5 performance again.

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Re: SoCal Tournament This Weekend

Postby bennykovacs » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:24 pm

mbaywaterpolo wrote:Here are my thoughts from the tourney.


Cal - not much to say other than that they didn't perform very well. I saw them vs Stanford and vs UCLA which were both blowouts.


Cal played UCLA at Socals? I don't think so!

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